How Good is Your Web Presence? Part 2

Tips and tricks on creating a quality web presence. [Article & Podcast]

This interview has been heavily edited for clarity and length. You can find the entire podcast conversation here.

Building an audience, email marketing, and 


Tom: Let's talk about building an audience. 

Chris: Building audience is not low-hanging fruit. And it’s not one of the things that I would focus on first. But roughly speaking, the first audience segment is someone coming to your site who’s in your sales funnel, or someone who is researching you. In these cases, you want to look good for them. 

Then next segment is: People coming to your site who are turning into leads, and want to buy soon.

And the third segment is: Someone who is interested in solar, but they might want to buy sometime in the future. And the question there is, are you getting their information so you can keep in touch with them? Typically, this is an email address.   


Tom: Talk a bit more about audience and getting emails.

Chris: Sure. One way to think about audience is—and this depends on how populated your service area is—but let’s say in a ten-mile area, there are 50,000 people who are owner-occupied homeowners. The question is if you have 50,000 emails of owner-occupied people, do you feel more comfortable about the security of your business than if you had just 400 email addresses? 

Tom: That’s a great way to put it! 

Chris:  Yeah. So if you’re building content for a lot of those people who own a house within 10 miles of your business—content that they like—you’re going to feel more secure in the health of your business over the long-term.  

And that’s another point about what your website should be doing. Your site converting at 10%, is really good. But don’t forget about the other 90% of people. 

While I can’t say that 90% of those people are definitely interested in solar, I would say that there’s 30-50% of that traffic that not’s becoming a quote now, but that’s definitely interested in solar, right? They’re on your page for a reason, and how do you get their information so you can keep in touch with them in the future? Because they're probably going to become solar customers not in 3 months, but in 3-7 years from now. 

Tom: In your experience, are there a top 3-5 things that contractors should be doing on their website so people continue to consider them over the 3-7 year period? 

Chris: That’s a good question. At the top level, I think it depends on the type of market you’re in. 

For example, let’s break the market into areas where solar awareness is very high, and areas where solar awareness is very low. If solar awareness is very high—let’s say you’re in northern California, Long Island, Boston, Utah. In those areas, I think the primary focus of your site should be around building credibility and trust. Because contractors fit into this group where there is fundamentally a mistrust. People’s greatest fear is getting ripped off.  


Building TRUST

Tom: So what are those elements that build that trust? 

Chris: Well, they’re the same in all industries. There’s testimonials. showing that you’re active in the community, industry certifications. It could be a blog based on teaching the consumer how to go through the buying process, which is a sales tactic called setting the buying price. A lot of it is about figuring out what displays trust in person and then replicating that online.  

Tom: Can you think of an example of that? 

Chris: Talk to the salespeople and ask them, “What sort of questions are consumers asking you, where they’re trying to verify whether they can trust you or not? And what responses make them trust you the most?” Then, the question is, how do you show people that online?  

For example, let’s say you’ve been in business 5 years. And there are certain towns where you have a lot of installation business. 

In your sales proposal, if you say, “Hey Mrs. Jones, in the last year we’ve installed 872 solar arrays in your neighborhood. Here’s a map of those installations. Here are a few testimonials. Here’s a few references in your area. You can trust us to do good work because we’ve done a lot of good work in this area already.”  That  moves the conversation in the sales process from, “Trust me,” to, “You can trust me because 700 plus people already trust me.”  

Now how does that work on digital? Say you’re running a pay-per-click campaign to that town. Maybe on your landing page, you replicate what’s on the sales proposal and say, “Chris Williams Solar loves doing solar in Sommerville, Massachusetts.” And share the map of the installs that you’ve done in that area in the last five years.  


Tom: Have you seen any data on which websites do best, in terms of page numbers, or essential characteristics? For example, the websites that have 15 pages and a ton of content about the business, don’t do as well. And the websites with three pages and two buttons do better? 

Chris: That’s a good question. I would say that as long as the architecture on your site is good, the more pages you have the better, but as long as the majority of those pages are on the blog. 

All else being equal, a site with 500 pages, indexed by Google, will do better than the site that only has five pages. The reason for that is that those 500 pages are a larger web to catch traffic for people searching for specific things.  

Now, you don’t want so many pages that the navigation gets confusing and people don’t know where they are and what to do next. 

Part this has to do with what is called contextual calls to action. And this is not low-hanging fruit. I would call this second-level website optimization. 

If someone searches for, “How many solar panels can I fit on my roof?” And they go to a blog post that can’t tell them how many can fit on their roof but can tell them about the methodology behind figuring that out. That blog post should have a call-to-action that doesn’t say, “contact us.” It should say, “Figure out how many solar panels will fit on your roof.” Then there’s a form with, “Name, address, phone number.” In this case, the call to action is contextual,  based on what they’re searching and reading about.  

Tom: On the topic of blog posts: you talked about your specific region or service area. Is it usually a good idea to write a blog post specifically about the area you work in? This goes along with your keyword geocoding suggestion.  

Chris: There’s one content strategy called The Man About Town. This is typically used by realtors. They go around town and interview business owners, talk about parks, talk about things in the town. 

Then, when customers are searching for realtors in their area they find those realtors easily because they’ve created so much local content. And people see the content and say, “Wow, this person knows this area really well. They know all the shops and parks, and schools.”  It makes them trust the real estate agent’s perspective. It makes them feel like the agent really knows the area.  

In terms of blog content, I think that it’s good to focus on content that is geographically keyworded and says, “We are committed to this community, we’ve been in this community, we know this community.” That tends to exhibit trust. 

You can also make topic-specific content—like how many solar panels can I fit on my roof—geographically specific as well. Because the things that we care about in Massachusetts, where we have asphalt shingle roofs, might be different than in Southern California, where there’s a lot of clay. Those distinctions might impact how many modules might fit on your roof.  


Tom: Let's go over metadata and adding the right keywords to your site.

Chris: The metadata is all of your individual URLs—the pages on your website—that a search engine reads, and that reader of the website never sees. 

It’s best-practice that in every single page that exists on your website has keywords that are targeted and geotargeted in some way. I was talking last week with one contractor and his metadata was amazing, but almost across the board the metadata is almost never done to those best-practices.  

Tom: What are the essential keyword search terms that contractors should start with?

Chris: Well, the first thing is to search your business name or specific terms like "solar installer" and "solar contractor" in the town that you’re located in. With these, you should be coming up very high. If you’re not coming up, start there. 

The reason to start there is—if you have five sales people, doing ten appointments a day, fifty appointments a week, two-hundred appointments a month—you can bet that those two hundred people are trying to find you online and trying to research you.  

If they can’t find you, it’s not going to make them feel warm and fuzzy and that they can trust you. And that’s going to impact your close rate.  

Chris: A lot of times people ask us, “How do I pick my keywords?” This is a good question, with big implications for your entire web presence. Knowing what keywords to target and why is really important, for SEO purposes, if you’re writing a blog, and if you’re running AdWords.

Up to the late 2000s, if you had Google Analytics set up, Google would tell you what keywords are influencing organic traffic on your site. However, if you go to Google and click on “Organic,” 95% will say, “Not provided.” So now, the only way to really know which keywords are working is through AdWords—by paying money to have keyword traffic sent to you. Then you can understand which keywords are working and update the architecture of your site around those keywords.  

Tom: What about looking at competitor’s sites? To see which keywords are working for them? Is that a good mythology? 

Chris: If you want to figure out which keywords they’re targeting, you can download that tool I mentioned before, Screaming Frog. That will tell you what their title descriptions are, what they’re meta descriptions are, and you can get a sense from there what keywords they’re targeting. 

I think that’s a good way of getting inspiration, but the only way to really verify that a keyword is working is to run paid traffic and verify that it’s producing 20 leads a month, at $110 per lead, or whatever. 

And if you’re really sophisticated with your CRM, you can note whether those leads came from an AdWords campaign. I’ve never seen anyone do this, but you could see that a) not only am I generating leads with this specific keyword, to the tune of $110 per lead, but those are also converting to leads at the rate of 22% in the course of a three-month period.  

If you had a keyword like that, you would want to go back to the architecture of your site and add that to all the meta descriptions. You’d want to add that to blog content. You’d want to generate as much paid and organic traffic from that keyword.  

That said, even if you find a really profitable keyword, there tends to be a limit because that keyword is not searched for an infinite number of times in your service area, every three months. It might be searched for 300 times, and you might garner 30% of those clicks—30 clicks per month. Then the question becomes, How do you go past that? 

The answer is, you have to find more keywords. So you keep playing this game over and over again between your site content, AdWords, and blog content, to create more leads, at a price that meets your marketing goals.  

Tom: How can you check your metadata?

There’a few ways of doing this. There a free tool called Screaming Frog, where you can look and see if your metadata is correct.  

Chris: Yes.


Tom: Are there channels that contractors should focus on when they start and then move away from as they get more established? 

Chris: It’s less about moving away, and more about stacking. 

It’s about starting with the most important things first, and when you’ve tapped that out, you go to the next. Even Google AdWords get to the point where you can pay more money, and get more leads, but each lead costs you more. It stops becoming cost-effective. 

Whereas getting organic traffic is more of a flywheel—where you invest some to start, and you’re continually investing, and you’re continually tracking organic traffic over time. But it can take 6-12 months before that starts to become a meaningful number of leads.  

Tom: Talk about a healthy channel mix. What does that look like?

Chris: Let’s assume that someone has been in business for more than 5 years, and is doing more than five million dollars of work per year in residential solar. 

I’d say they have a healthy mix if they have a good number of referrals. 30-50% would be a healthy number of referrals if they were doing something to proactively cultivate those referrals. Often times, I notice that people want to be getting more referrals, but they’re not doing something to proactively cultivate that.  

But sometimes the referral rate is a canary in a coal mine for your customer experience and operations. If your referral rate is low, asking people for referrals might not be the best thing to do if your customer experience is poor. 

If your customer experience is great, and you’re not getting referrals, you might not be asking for them. Assuming you've been in business a while, and have a certain minimum revenue threshold, that’s kind of the first way to go.  

The second is having a good website that meets the criteria we’ve been talking about. Low-hanging fruit is: Ad Words, blog content, and social media, going. And really low-hanging fruit is email marketing. 


Tom: Yeah, let’s jump back to emails and maintaining a connection with that list.

Chris: We’re in the fall now, heading into winter.

How many contractors are emailing out the previous twelve month's proposals that haven’t turned into sales? Those people are the closest people to giving you money that didn’t. So you should be reaching out to those people. 

Tom: And when you’re talking about a long timeline, that email list is a huge asset. If you’re reaching out to that list of customers who haven't purchased from you saying, "Hey, how’s it going? Here are some great installs that we did." In that way, you can keep your business in front of them. It often takes a long time for someone to decide to buy. So you should always be building that trust. 

Probably the most important aspect of email marketing that people forget is: Do something that helps people. Don’t ask for a sale. 

Chris: Probably the most important aspect of email marketing that people forget is: Do something that helps those people. Don’t ask for a sale. 

It seems crazy, but if someone’s been on your email list for three years, and they live in your area, what can you do that helps them? If you look at a lot of content marketing it’s just, “Buy from me. Buy from me.” It’s not helping or entertaining the consumer in any way. So thinking about what is going to help or entertain them is important.  

Tom: Right. And an example might be: you’re writing a blog post about some policy changes in your area and you send it out to your email list letting the reader know that the price to go solar has changed. And that now is a better time than before to buy. 

Right. And a lot of it is also just being active in your community. 

Tom: Like hosting events? Maybe a BBQ with a former customer in their neighborhood.  

Chris: You know what would be great, is to have a physical space and then open it up to the community for people to use it. What better way to show that you’re invested in your community and that you do good work than to have a physical space with your branding on it, People can play music, or teach yoga, or rent the space from you. 

Tom: Citibank has set up a bike sharing program, Ford as well. All the bikes are branded with their logo. 

Chris: Also establishing relationships with other professionals in your area is a good idea. Building a network of plumbers, realtors, architects—in your area—that know you, like you, and trust you. You might teach them to talk about solar so they can provide a basic amount of information to people that they’re working with.  

Tom: Building relationships across industries? 

Chris. Right. But in a way that helps them more than you. 

A real estate agent likes to look knowledgable to their clients. They’re getting a lot of questions about solar from their clients. If they said, “Oh, I went to a training from Chris Williams Solar and I can answer that. And you should check them out,” that would be great.  

In solar, it’s not about a single silver bullet. It’s about doing all the small things correctly and in the right sequence.

If you had 200 realtors, architects, electricians, plumbers, who knew your business, liked you, trusted you—and you had taught them a thing or two about solar—my guess is that they would send you one or two leads a year, and those would close at a high percentage.  But it takes a while to build up 200 relationships. Those things take time. It’s the opposite of buying leads. It’s a long-term strategy.  

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